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		<title>By: Moncler coats</title>
		<link>http://jesushatespapyrus.com/creativity/you-are-not-an-artist/comment-page-1/#comment-1483</link>
		<dc:creator>Moncler coats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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Hello there, I must say it&#039;s a clever content. I’ll certainly be searching in on this website again quickly....</description>
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<p>Hello there, I must say it&#8217;s a clever content. I’ll certainly be searching in on this website again quickly&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Buckingham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Buckingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh...Mercenary Designer, I like that. :)

The difficulty isn&#039;t within the true definition, it is in the way people look at it. Especially in a place where many are just looking for the free/cheap solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh&#8230;Mercenary Designer, I like that. <img src='http://jesushatespapyrus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The difficulty isn&#8217;t within the true definition, it is in the way people look at it. Especially in a place where many are just looking for the free/cheap solution.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeSindorf</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeSindorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clint &amp; Michael - The word &quot;free&quot; in &quot;freelance&quot; does not imply without charge or cost.  It goes back to the 18th century and consisted of two separate words. I believe it was first coined by  Sir Walter Scott in &quot;Ivanhoe&quot;, where he referred to a “medieval mercenary warrior” as Free Lance.

So, it&#039;s not without cost - it&#039;s simply not being bound to just one master. A mercenary - I like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clint &amp; Michael &#8211; The word &#8220;free&#8221; in &#8220;freelance&#8221; does not imply without charge or cost.  It goes back to the 18th century and consisted of two separate words. I believe it was first coined by  Sir Walter Scott in &#8220;Ivanhoe&#8221;, where he referred to a “medieval mercenary warrior” as Free Lance.</p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s not without cost &#8211; it&#8217;s simply not being bound to just one master. A mercenary &#8211; I like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a not-so-free-lancer I called myself a Commercial Artist because I created art that communicated a message or drew your attention to or made you desire/need whatever it was the client was selling. Now on the management side of things, I guess I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not doing that anymore because it&#039;s getting so complicated I wouldn&#039;t know what to call myself. When looking for talent do I ask for an FeeLance Artistic Graphic Communicator with a Psycology Bent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a not-so-free-lancer I called myself a Commercial Artist because I created art that communicated a message or drew your attention to or made you desire/need whatever it was the client was selling. Now on the management side of things, I guess I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not doing that anymore because it&#8217;s getting so complicated I wouldn&#8217;t know what to call myself. When looking for talent do I ask for an FeeLance Artistic Graphic Communicator with a Psycology Bent?</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a problem solver; as in, &quot;How do I solve the problem of communicating this piece of information that will not only be clear, but call the recipient into action?&quot; My title at the church is Communication Coordinator. I guess that says it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a problem solver; as in, &#8220;How do I solve the problem of communicating this piece of information that will not only be clear, but call the recipient into action?&#8221; My title at the church is Communication Coordinator. I guess that says it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Buckingham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Buckingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, well said Alvalyn. I wish I could be in some of the pitches. I mean I can see it be a funny laugh-around-the-table sort of thing, but who decided it someone wanted a lime to pee in their pepsi? They must be brilliant pitchmen.

You&#039;re so right Clint. Big turning point for me was when I stopped viewing myself as a freelancer and saw myself as the owner of the church&#039;s creative studio. Freelancer also implies casual, part time...it&#039;s just a terrible word for so many reasons.

Too often I simply call myself a designer or church creative.  What I should say is &quot;I&#039;m trying to make the church the most creative place on the planet.&quot; Which could then lead into a full conversation about creativity and the church.

My business card says Founder &amp; Creative Director which I&#039;ve been back and forth on several times. My next iteration may have Graphic Designer scratched out for Church Creative (or something of that sort), which could then lead into a discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, well said Alvalyn. I wish I could be in some of the pitches. I mean I can see it be a funny laugh-around-the-table sort of thing, but who decided it someone wanted a lime to pee in their pepsi? They must be brilliant pitchmen.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so right Clint. Big turning point for me was when I stopped viewing myself as a freelancer and saw myself as the owner of the church&#8217;s creative studio. Freelancer also implies casual, part time&#8230;it&#8217;s just a terrible word for so many reasons.</p>
<p>Too often I simply call myself a designer or church creative.  What I should say is &#8220;I&#8217;m trying to make the church the most creative place on the planet.&#8221; Which could then lead into a full conversation about creativity and the church.</p>
<p>My business card says Founder &#038; Creative Director which I&#8217;ve been back and forth on several times. My next iteration may have Graphic Designer scratched out for Church Creative (or something of that sort), which could then lead into a discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Alvalyn Lundgren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alvalyn Lundgren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few thoughts:

First: The Pepsi ad has a lot of aesthetic &quot;issues&quot; going on in it. To me, it fails not only in context but in content. It&#039;s not balanced, it has value contrast problems, it&#039;s spatially ambiguous... I&#039;m wondering if the original ad has more to it that just this image.

Contextually I don&#039;t get the bathroom tile environment and the lime doing its thing as being something enticing for people... who wants to associate any beverage with bodily wastewater? It&#039;s not a good selling point. The function fails.

But it could be used by Coca-Cola to rebrand Pepsi in the same way Apple has done for PCs...

Second: Design separates itself from fine art in that it marries - and I mean &quot;marries&quot; in the biblical sense- aesthetic theory with function. Aesthetic decisions must support function. If either aesthetics or function fails, the design fails.

I had this very discussion with my students during my design theory class at UCLA Extension last night - that designers are not artists although they use the same aesthetic principles.

Design is not decoration and it&#039;s not self-expression. It is meant to serve a purpose. It&#039;s not art.

Third: Calling oneself a graphic artist rather than a graphic designer indicates a serious disconnect with current and appropriate terminology. Graphic arts is a somewhat old-fashioned term and usually encompasses production and printing.

As for me, I call myself an illustrative designer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few thoughts:</p>
<p>First: The Pepsi ad has a lot of aesthetic &#8220;issues&#8221; going on in it. To me, it fails not only in context but in content. It&#8217;s not balanced, it has value contrast problems, it&#8217;s spatially ambiguous&#8230; I&#8217;m wondering if the original ad has more to it that just this image.</p>
<p>Contextually I don&#8217;t get the bathroom tile environment and the lime doing its thing as being something enticing for people&#8230; who wants to associate any beverage with bodily wastewater? It&#8217;s not a good selling point. The function fails.</p>
<p>But it could be used by Coca-Cola to rebrand Pepsi in the same way Apple has done for PCs&#8230;</p>
<p>Second: Design separates itself from fine art in that it marries &#8211; and I mean &#8220;marries&#8221; in the biblical sense- aesthetic theory with function. Aesthetic decisions must support function. If either aesthetics or function fails, the design fails.</p>
<p>I had this very discussion with my students during my design theory class at UCLA Extension last night &#8211; that designers are not artists although they use the same aesthetic principles.</p>
<p>Design is not decoration and it&#8217;s not self-expression. It is meant to serve a purpose. It&#8217;s not art.</p>
<p>Third: Calling oneself a graphic artist rather than a graphic designer indicates a serious disconnect with current and appropriate terminology. Graphic arts is a somewhat old-fashioned term and usually encompasses production and printing.</p>
<p>As for me, I call myself an illustrative designer.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, we run into this filming weddings all of the time. How much of it is creating a really cool wedding film for the blog &amp; how much is captuing the moment that will bring them back years later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, we run into this filming weddings all of the time. How much of it is creating a really cool wedding film for the blog &amp; how much is captuing the moment that will bring them back years later.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve also removed the word &quot;freelance&quot; from my personal vocabulary. If you wish to use something similar you can use FEElance, because hey, if you&#039;re good at something you should never do it for free.

When asked, and depending on where I am at the time, I tell folks that:
• I&#039;m a small business owner
• I&#039;m an independent designer
• I&#039;m a commercial designer

When I&#039;m asked the infamous &quot;What do you do?&quot; I say, &quot;I help small businesses get their name out there by putting eyes on what they have to say. I do that by designing printed marketing materials that give them a heightened perception in their particular market.&quot; By then, the person has lost interest and stops asking me questions.

How do you answer the &quot;What do you do&quot; question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve also removed the word &#8220;freelance&#8221; from my personal vocabulary. If you wish to use something similar you can use FEElance, because hey, if you&#8217;re good at something you should never do it for free.</p>
<p>When asked, and depending on where I am at the time, I tell folks that:<br />
• I&#8217;m a small business owner<br />
• I&#8217;m an independent designer<br />
• I&#8217;m a commercial designer</p>
<p>When I&#8217;m asked the infamous &#8220;What do you do?&#8221; I say, &#8220;I help small businesses get their name out there by putting eyes on what they have to say. I do that by designing printed marketing materials that give them a heightened perception in their particular market.&#8221; By then, the person has lost interest and stops asking me questions.</p>
<p>How do you answer the &#8220;What do you do&#8221; question?</p>
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		<title>By: Your Wife</title>
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		<dc:creator>Your Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, devil&#039;s advocate here. I wonder if it was a Diet Coke ad if you would feel the same way? You would still drink it because that is your drink of choice. The lack of artistic ability of a diet coke ad will not deter you from drinking it...I&#039;m just saying :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, devil&#8217;s advocate here. I wonder if it was a Diet Coke ad if you would feel the same way? You would still drink it because that is your drink of choice. The lack of artistic ability of a diet coke ad will not deter you from drinking it&#8230;I&#8217;m just saying <img src='http://jesushatespapyrus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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